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Prince Jackson testimony about Randy Phillips at the house
Jackson Direct
Q Did you ever see Randy Phillips at your house before your father died?
A yes. A couple of times.
Q Did it surprise you to see him?
A uhm, sometimes it did, because he would come up unannounced when my dad wasn't at the house.
Q okay. Who was Randy -- was Randy Phillips with anyone at the home?
A he would come either with Dr. Tohme, or sometimes he would come with some other men I didn't recognize.
Q did you ever see him speaking to anyone at your house?
A I saw him talking to Dr. Tohme once by the stairs where -- when he came by himself one day.
Q did you ever see him speaking to Dr. Conrad Murray when your father wasn't present?
A that's when he talked to Dr. Murray only. I saw him talk to him twice, and that time when he came by himself, he was speaking to him in hushed whispers. I was bringing him water, and he was talking to Dr. Murray. He was grabbing his elbow and looked aggressive to me.
Q could you hear what they were saying?
A no.
Q how was Mr. Phillips's demeanor when he was speaking to Conrad Murray?
A he was grabbing him by the back of the elbow, and they were really close, and he was making hand motions.
Q did it surprise you?
A yes, a little.
Q where was your father at?
A I believe he was at rehearsals.
Q was this in the day or the nighttime?
A closer to the night. That's when Dr. Murray came around.
Q now, do you know exactly what day that was?
A no.
Q do you have a recollection of when it was?
A when he came by himself, no. But when he came with the other men and Dr. Tohme, I remember it to be the night before my dad died.
Q and there's been testimony all over the place. Are you absolutely sure that was the day?
A I am not. I can't really remember. It was either the night before or two nights before.
Q now, when you saw -- at any time when Mr. Phillips was there, did you contact your father?
A the night that I think was before he died, I called him up from a security phone.
Q okay. Don't tell us what he said. Just, did you contact him?
A yes.
Q okay. Did you do something -- put that aside. Did you do anything else for Mr. Phillips or anyone else he was with at that time?
A I came in. And I asked them if he would like something to drink or eat, and they said no. But my dad Always told me to bring out, like, chips or salsa or Hors d'oeuvres, something like that. So I went in the kitchen to get hors d'oeuvres for them, chips or salsa.
Q is that when you called your father?
A this was before -- this was after I called him.
Q all right. And don't tell me what he said, but what did you do after that?
A I went and got the chips and salsa, and then Randy Phillips was talking to Dr. Tohme again at the bottom of the stairs, grabbing his elbow again and talking.
Q you mean Conrad Murray? Dr. Murray?
A yes. Dr. Murray.
Q you said Dr. Tohme.
A oh. Dr. Murray.
Q now, did you -- do you remember the last day that you saw your father alive?
A yes.
Q and when was that?
A the day before he died.
Q all right. And do you remember your last conversation?
A it was when I talked to him on the phone about Randy Phillips being at the house.
AEG cross
Q one other question, if I can. You talked about this idea that a time came where you saw Randy Phillips and a person -- we'll get to who in a second -- at the bottom of the stairs where Mr. Phillips was being aggressive with that person. You remember that testimony?
A yes.
Q and at times today you said it was Dr. Tohme, at other times you said it was Dr. Murray. Let me ask you a few questions about that. Was Dr. Tohme someone you knew since 2006 when you moved to Las Vegas?
A I think so.
Q so that was a person, by the time you arrived in the Carolwood home, you had known for at least three years; right?
A yes.
Q in fact, when you moved to Las Vegas, is it true that one of the reasons you moved to Las Vegas was because Dr. Tohme had introduced your father to somebody who made it possible so you could live in the Palm Hotel for a year and a half?
A Yes, he did.
Q and this is someone you saw in Vegas,Dr. Tohme; correct?
A I don't know if I saw him in Vegas.
Q how did you know he was that person?
A I met him in Vegas, but I didn't really remember when I saw him. I don't remember if I did.
Q and Dr. Randy Phillips wasn't someone you met until you moved to Los Angeles; correct?
A yes.
Q and as we sit here today, you don't know whether that encounter that you've just mentioned between Randy Phillips and either Dr. Tohme or Dr. Conrad Murray -- you don't know what day that occurred; right?
A not definite. From what I remember, it was the night before, but I can't tell you -- I can't be 100 percent sure of that.
Q so you think it might have been the night before that you saw them there?
A I'm more than, like, sure it was more than likely on the night before, or it was two nights before.
Q and in fact, do you have any understanding as to whether or not there's been testimony here that the night before, Randy Phillips was at the Staples Center with your dad?
A no.
Q do you have any understanding as to whether there was testimony here that -- and the night before that, the 23rd, he was also at the Staples Center?
A no.
Q you don't know that?
A no.
Q do you remember telling me at your deposition -- strike that. Let me ask you differently. That really bad morning, the 25th, you didn't see your dad that morning; right?
A no.
Q do you remember telling us at your deposition that the morning after you believe you saw Randy Phillips with a doctor, whether it was Tohme or Dr. Conrad Murray, you remember saying that the next morning, you talked to your dad about it?
A excuse me?
Q you remember telling us at your deposition,that the morning after you saw Randy Phillips in your house, the next morning, you talked to your dad?
A I don't remember saying that.
Depo video
"did you ever tell anybody that Randy was there with Dr. Conrad Murray?
"my dad.
"and when did you tell him that?
"I told him the next morning that I saw him."
Q by Mr. Putnam: does that refresh your recollection?
A yes, it does. As I told Brian, that I saw Dr. Conrad and Randy Phillips talking on two occasions, and I believe I said that in my deposition. That was one of the occasions that was previous to his passing.
Q okay. But do you remember talking to your dad the next morning after this event?
A yes.
Q and you didn't talk to your dad the morning of the 25th; correct?
A no.
Q so this couldn't have occurred on the 24th; that we now know; right?
A well, like I said, it happened on two occasions.
Q I'm sorry. What happened on two occasions?
A Dr. Conrad and Randy Phillips talking.
Q okay. And was your dad not there either time?
A yes.
Q so there were two times where they talked. You remember telling me there was one time in your depo?
A I did. And then I cleared it up at the end that I remembered there were two times.
Q okay. And you're not sure when that occurred; correct?
A excuse me?
Q you're not sure when that happened?
A when the first time happened? No.
Q and you're not sure when the second time happened, either; right?
A from what I can remember, it was the night before.
Q but that second time, that's the time that you said that the next morning you talked to your dad?
A no. It was the first time.
Q you think so?
A yes.
Jackson redirect
Q Mr. Phillips, when he was grabbing the arm of that individual, was that Tohme, or was that Conrad Murray?
A Conrad Murray.
Q any question in your mind?
A no. They look completely different.
Michael Jackson Jr. Testimony
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Jackson direct
Prince gives his name as Michael Joseph Jackson Jr. He explains he was originally named after the family name Prince but when Blanket was born Blanket was named Prince and Prince was named after his father.
Prince says he’s a little bit nervous as he hasn't testified before, Jackson attorney Panish tells him not to be nervous and he’s among friends. Prince is asked if he knows what it means to give his best testimony truthfully and he replies yes.
Prince is asked about his age and his birth date and he’s asked about his siblings’ names, ages and birth dates. Prince is asked about which school he goes, summer school, honors, sports he plays, activities he takes part (martial arts and jewelry making), robotics (Prince says he’s a mechanic that builds the robots), grade point average (3.68) . Prince is asked about his college plans and replies he wants to go to USC for film and business or might take mechanical science and business.
Panish asks Prince about film making, Prince explains he made little movies with his dad, he gave Prince a necklace with a camera lens to find shots and why that is important. Later on he asks Prince other questions and Prince explains he wrote screenplays / scripts with his dad. Michael helped him to unlock thinking with the right side of the brain, how they watched the movies first without sound to analyze the shots and then watch the movie with the sound to see how the sound can make or break the movie.
Prince is asked about community service, he tells his school requires them to do 20 hours of community service but he does more, he’s part of “Literary Healing” program which provides books to sick children at hospitals. He mentions his dad told him “you should give back to the community and help out as much as you can." and he got his desire to help community from his father.
Panish asks Prince where he lived. Prince lists Neverland, Paris, Bahrain, Ireland, Dubai, Aspen, New York and Las Vegas. Prince explains they traveled because of Michael’s business deals and Michael did not want to be away from his kids. Prince says they traveled with a nanny (mostly Grace) or a teacher.
Prince is shown many pictures and some videos and asked to tell about Neverland. He mentions how the court case (2005) ruined Neverland for his father. He talks about Michael dressing them nicely for pictures, he talks about amusement park, the zoo, the poetry etc. When some videos played, Prince says his father did a lot of family movies and gave those movies to them.
Prince Jackson talking about Neverland: "when my dad bought the house, and he built it, he built it for kids that he wanted to have. He built it for us. He always wanted to make sure it was happy. There was a fireplace lit everywhere, classical music playing. It was a very homey place. You could go there, and you felt at home."
Prince says he was on “Lost Children” song and he doesn't remember which album that song was on. He says Omer Bhatti – or as they call him monkey- is also on the song with him.
Prince talking about the piano picture
Q what are you doing there?
A he was playing the piano, and I was trying to play with him.
Q do you like music?
A I do.
Q do you want to get into music?
A I can never play an instrument, and I definitely cannot sing. That's something that my dad was the best at.
Q he didn't give that to you?
A no
Prince talking about education
Q Was education and learning important to your father?
A it was always important. If we weren't in school with him, we would be in school with a tutor, or He would be teaching about somebody else's cultures,religions or language so that we could learn and understand why it is buildings are built that way, or how it is that they interact with each other, and be religiously respectful of everybody's different cultures and differences.
Q did you have, like, a normal school year?
A yes. I started in the fall and went to spring, six hours a day, including P.E.
Q all right. Did your father, was he interested in what you were doing every day in school?
A yes. He wanted to know what we were learning and always to question, think for ourselves, not just be told what was right. To always ask if what we thought to be true, and he always wanted to know how we were doing in school and how we would use that to better the world.
Q now, other than learning in school, did your father try to teach you outside of school?
A all the time.
Q how?
A if something happened to him, or something happened to us, he would say, "learn from your mistakes. This is a learning experience and never forget."
Christmas video is played
Q now, did you learn from your father anything about work?
A most of my work ethics I learned from my dad. He was always working. If he never worked, he would become depressed or -- he just could not sit still. I don't actually think I've ever sat and relaxed, just sat around and did nothing with him. It's always been work, or we were running, exercising, he was teaching me how to drive, or he was working on music, and we were – or we were working on movies.
Q would you describe your dad as lazy?
A that would not come up in any description of him.
Prince talks about how he and Paris found out how famous Michael was by watching one of the concert videos. Prince is shown a picture and asked about the masks.
Q did you ever wear masks when you went out in public?
A yes. When I was with my dad, he used it to make sure nobody knew what we actually looked like so if we went out without him, we could have a normal childhood.
Q how did you feel about that?
A when I was little, the masks were annoying because we had these feathers in our face, or they were hot. But now that I get followed by them all the time, I understand why he did it.
Q was your dad protective of you in public?
A very.
Prince is asked about Grace and says she worked for them for 12 years and he’s shown pictures of the kids with Grace. He says Michael let them go out with Grace without him being present. Prince is asked if he saw Paris’s deposition video in which she did not say nice things about Grace. Prince says he saw the video.
Q do you know why Paris would do that?
A after the death of my dad, we each had our own difficulties dealing with it. She's having a hard time right now. But I just saw her with Grace the other day, and they were happy, so –
Prince says Grace was terminated by Michael and Prince was told Grace had some personal problems that she had to deal with on her own. He says after Michael died, Katherine asked Grace to comeback and the kids were happy to see a familiar face.
Prince is asked about living in Las Vegas.
Q do you know why you moved to Las Vegas?
A there was a house out in Vegas that my dad wanted to buy for us. Because we were traveling all the time, all of us, me and my brother and sister, we said we wanted a home to live in. And he saw this house that the royal family of Brunei had built, but they did not finish, so he was going to buy it from him. And that's primarily why Dr. Tohme was on the workforce, to get that house.
Prince is asked about a Christmas in Vegas when Michael gave them their dog Kenya.
Q did your dad like dogs?
A my dad was scared of dogs. He was terrified. But he got him for us, and he ended up liking Kenya. That's the only dog I'll ever touch.
Panish mentions “you are my life” song and he plays a video montage asking Prince to tell them about the photos and what is happening.
Prince says they were very happy in Vegas. Then they come to Los Angeles because Michael was going on a tour, Prince says he thinks the tour was called The O2. Prince says they lived at a hotel for a while and then they moved to the Carolwood house before Christmas and they were at Carolwood house for Christmas time.
Prince is asked if he knows Dr. Tohme and Randy Phillips. He replies yes.
Q did you know anything about the business deal involving AEG and your father?
A no. But from what he told me, he wasn't happy with it.
Q as far as what the terms were, all that --
A no.
Q -- that wasn't something you were involved with?
A no.
Q now, even though you were young, did your father confide in you at all about his dealings with Randy Phillips, AEG live, and Dr. Tohme?
A yes.
Prince says his father, his siblings and sometimes monkey (Omer Bhatti) lived at the house. He says they had a nanny (Sister Rose and Grace).
Q and do you know whether your father was excited about the tour?
A he was very excited about the tour, because he was about to go on tour again. This would be one of --probably the last time we would be able to see him on tour and that we would be able to see him perform.
Q and were you excited about it?
A I was very excited about it.
Q had you ever seen your dad perform live before?
A I think once when I was little, but it wasn't at an age to remember the whole thing.
Q did your dad like to do rehearsals and preparing?
A all the time.
Q did there ever come a time when you believed your father wasn't happy with the way things were going?
A with rehearsals?
Q yes.
A he would come home from rehearsals always happy about how they were going. He just wished he had more time for rehearsals and that he could have more rehearsals to work.
Q now, did you ever see your father on the phone become upset?
A a lot of times.
Q do you know who he was speaking with?
A it changed. Most of the time it was randy Phillips or Dr. Tohme, from what I know. Or he had just gotten off the phone, and someone must have told him something about them.
Q so when your father got off the phone, did his demeanor -- how was his demeanor?
A he would get off the phone. He would cry sometimes. And after he got off the phone with them, he would cry.
Q was he upset?
A yes. He would say, "they're going to kill me.They're going to kill me."
Q when your father was getting off the phone and crying, did he say something immediately while he was crying?
A yes, he would.
Q did he say who he was referring to?
A when I asked him who, he said AEG. live, Randy Phillips, mostly, and then he said Dr. Tohme.
Prince says his dad become more and more upset as the time went on.
Q did you consider your father to be a fighter?
A no. My dad didn't fight. He was like my grandma. He was too kind to fight anybody. That's why he called my grandpa.
Prince talks when they were living in Bel Air hotel Michael got in a fight with Tohme on the phone and he tried to fire Tohme. Prince says Michael yelled and cursed at Tohme. Prince says, he and Paris applauded Michael because they did not like being around Tohme because he gave a bad energy and he made Michael upset. Prince says to his knowledge Bel Air was the last time Michael talked to Tohme.
Q and did you know -- at any time do you know whether your father terminated or stopped his relationship with Tohme?
A to my understanding, the bel air hotel was the last time he actually ever talked to Dr. Tohme. After that, I don't know if he did. But then two days, I recall, before he died, he said Dr. Tohme got the house I was talking about earlier, and that's why he let Dr. Tohme back.
Q okay. Explain what you mean by "got the house."
A uhm, I don't know, like, the details of it, or the real estate part of it, but my dad was trying to purchase the house because the sultan of Brunei is not supposed to own property in Las Vegas because of religious beliefs. And, I don't know, I think sometime
It got tied up in legal terms. But from what I understand, Dr. Tohme was finally able to buy the house.
Q okay. And do you know if he ever did get the house?
A no. I don't believe he did
Panish asks Prince if he knows Dr. Murray and he says yes. Prince says he first met Murray at the Vegas house and Murray came over multiple times to treat them for sicknesses. He says Murray did not spend the night in Vegas house.
Panish asks about Carolwood and Prince says it was first Cheryl Lee who came to the Carolwood house. He says Lee would give Michael IV’s in the living room. Prince says they saw Murray around more and Lee no longer came to the house.
Q and how often would Dr. Murray come to your home?
A from what I remember, he would come over every day except sunday night.
Q did any other doctor come over and spend that much time with your father?
A no.
Q would Dr. Murray spend the night at your home?
A in Carolwood, yes.
Q and what did you see Dr. Murray doing?
A I never -- in the beginning when he was downstairs, I saw him giving my dad an IV injection of clear liquid.
Q you know what was in the IV?
A I only thought IVs were for vitamins.
Q when Dr. Murray would come to the house, where would he go with your father?
A when he first started treating my dad he would do it in the library or the sitting room next to the entrance. And then later on, he did it in the second bedroom upstairs.
Prince is shown a diagram of the second floor of the house and is asked to explain the rooms. He mentions master bedroom and how Michael wrote notes that consist of song lyrics and messages he copied from spiritual leaders. 2 of the notes which says “love no violence ever” and “I’m so grateful that I’m a magnet for miracles” is shown.
Prince shows his and Paris’s bedrooms on the diagram. Prince mentions Blanket would go back and forth and sleep either in Prince or Paris’s room.
Panish asks about Blanket and how he got the name Blanket.
Q what does blanket like to do?
A my brother also does martial arts. He excels at school, plays video games with me and some of my cousins. And we go out, go to parks; we play basketball.
Q I want to ask you something. How did he get the name blanket?
A uhm, with monkey's family, I don't know if it was his stepdad, but we always used to say "blanket," blanket meant blessing. So if we said, "big blankets," it was "big blessing to you."
So when my brother was born, my dad called him a blessing, and that's how he got the name blanket.
Q so it wasn't he was running around wrapped up in blankets or anything?
A no.
Prince is asked where his father and Murray would be and Prince says it is labeled as “second floor bedroom 2” on the diagram.
Prince says it is his understanding that the door was locked when Michael was in there. Prince mentions he tried the door once and it was locked. He heard Michael was mediating with an Indian spiritual healer over Skype and that’s why the door was locked so that he can focus.
Prince says he saw IV holders and oxygen tanks. Prince says the oxygen tanks were right in front of the house either by the front of the stairs or out back by the security office. Prince says he did not see oxygen tanks before Carolwood house.
Q were you concerned when you saw Dr. Murray at your house so often?
A no. I was 12, and to my understanding, he was supposed to keep -- make sure my dad stayed healthy.
Q now, Dr. Murray, do you know whether anyone ever gave him any payment or money?
A my dad used to give me cash, a couple hundreds, and he used to say AEG. -- he feels so bad for Dr. Murray because AEG. isn't paying him. They're supposed to, but they haven't paid him yet, so, here, take him this. And my dad would give him like –
Mr. Putnam: objection. Hearsay, your honor.
The court: sustained.
Q by Mr. Panish: okay. Did you have an understanding of why you were giving money to Dr. Murray?
A because I guess, you know, for essentials: food, water and gas money.
Q how much did you give him?
A my dad used to give me a couple hundred, like that much (indicating), but he would only take half.
Q did you ever see randy Phillips at your house before your father died?
A yes. A couple of times.
Q did it surprise you to see him?
A uhm, sometimes it did, because he would come up unannounced when my dad wasn't at the house.
Q okay. Who was randy -- was randy Phillips with anyone at the home?
A he would come either with Dr. Tohme, or sometimes he would come with some other men I didn't recognize.
Q did you ever see him speaking to anyone at your house?
A I saw him talking to Dr. Tohme once by the stairs where -- when he came by himself one day.
Q did you ever see him speaking to Dr. Conrad Murray when your father wasn't present?
A that's when he talked to Dr. Murray only. I saw him talk to him twice, and that time when he came by himself, he was speaking to him in hushed whispers. I was bringing him water, and he was talking to
Dr. Murray. He was grabbing his elbow and looked aggressive to me.
Q could you hear what they were saying?
A no.
Q how was Mr. Phillips's demeanor when he was speaking to Conrad Murray?
A he was grabbing him by the back of the elbow, and they were really close, and he was making hand motions.
Q did it surprise you?
A yes, a little.
Q where was your father at?
A I believe he was at rehearsals.
Q was this in the day or the nighttime?
A closer to the night. That's when Dr. Murray came around.
Q now, do you know exactly what day that was?
A no.
Q do you have a recollection of when it was?
A when he came by himself, no. But when he came with the other men and Dr. Tohme, I remember it to be the night before my dad died.
Q and there's been testimony all over the place. Are you absolutely sure that was the day?
A I am not. I can't really remember. It was either the night before or two nights before.
Q all right. Now, were there other occasions when you saw randy Phillips at your home?
A not that I can remember.
Q all right. Other than what you've already told us?
A yes.
Q now, when you saw -- at any time when Mr. Phillips was there, did you contact your father?
A the night that I think was before he died, I called him up from a security phone.
Q okay. Don't tell us what he said. Just, did you contact him?
A yes.
Q okay. Did you do something -- put that aside. Did you do anything else for Mr. Phillips or anyone else he was with at that time?
A I came in. And I asked them if he would like something to drink or eat, and they said no. But my dad always told me to bring out, like, chips or salsa or hors d'oeuvres, something like that. So I went in the kitchen to get hors d'oeuvres for them, chips or salsa.
Q is that when you called your father?
A this was before -- this was after I called him.
Q all right. And don't tell me what he said, but what did
You do after that?
A I went and got the chips and salsa, and then randy Phillips was talking to Dr. Tohme again at the bottom of the stairs, grabbing his elbow again and talking.
Q you mean Conrad Murray? Dr. Murray?
A yes. Dr. Murray.
Q you said Dr. Tohme.
A oh. Dr. Murray.
Q you know if Dr. Tohme, is he a medical doctor?
A from what I heard, he's not even a real doctor.
Q were you surprised that Tohme was at your house?
A I was surprised that they were all at my house.
Q why were you surprised that Tohme was there?
A because I haven't seen Tohme in a while, and, I mean, I still didn't like Dr. Tohme. Or just Tohme.
Q now, let's talk about june 2009. I know you're not great with dates, and I know you were 12 years old at that time. As far as you could tell, how was your father's health from a 12-year-old perspective?
A from my perspective back then, I thought he was healthy. I didn't see him eat a lot, but that was something -- he ate by himself a lot, so I didn't know if he was eating at rehearsals. I knew he was working a lot. But I looked at pictures from my grandma and grandfather's anniversary, and he was really, really skinny, almost malnourished.
Q okay. In the last part of his life, last few weeks, did you notice anything unusual about his health?
A some days he would come downstairs and say he's freezing cold, and it was during the summer, so I didn't know why he would be cold. And some days he would say he's hot. He was -- his temperature, body temperature was up and down. His strength would sometimes give out. He was definitely not strong enough
Q now, did you -- do you remember the last day that you saw your father alive?
A yes.
Q and when was that?
A the day before he died.
Q all right. And do you remember your last conversation?
A it was when I talked to him on the phone about randy Phillips being at the house
Prince is then asked about June 25th. Prince says he was in the sitting room with his siblings and Sister Rose. He heard a scream from upstairs and running down the stairs. Prince says he went to the kitchen to see what was going on. He saw Murray run right back up the stairs. Kai told him Murray wants you upstairs and Alberto Alvarez had just came inside the house. Prince says he ran upstairs and saw Murray doing CPR on his dad on the bed. He says his dad was hanging halfway off the bed, and his eyes kind of rolled in the back of his head, and Dr. Conrad was screaming and doing C.P.R. Prince says Alberto came to the room shortly after he did and Paris followed him. He says Paris and he were kept downstairs. Prince says Paris was screaming saying she wanted her daddy, Prince says he was sitting at the bottom of the stairs crying and waiting for the ambulance. He says paramedics came, took Michael out and they followed the ambulance. Prince says he tried to comfort his siblings by saying “angels are still watching over him, and there have to be angels all over.” He says he was optimistic. Prince says he was in a room in the hospital with Sister Rose, his siblings and a security guard. He says Frank Dileo and Conrad Murray came into the room. Murray told them “Sorry kids. Dad’s dead” and Dileo told them he had a heart attack. Prince says they just cried.
Prince is asked about the memorial service and says Paris’s speech wasn’t planned, she just grabbed the mic and said something. (video is played).
Panish asks about adjustment after Michael died. Prince says he lives in Calabasas with his siblings, his grandmother Katherine and his cousin Trent. He says his guardians are his cousin TJ and his grandmother. He’s shown a picture from Gary and explains they go to Gary for memorial. He’s also shown other pictures including Prince’s visit to Germany Bambi awards. He’s asked about his work with E! Channel and he talks about his interview with cast of Oz. Pictures from Cirque event etc are shown.
After the morning break Panish asks Prince about his loss.
Q and your grandmother are your current guardians?
A yes, they are.
Q and are they doing the best they can to help you and your brother and your sister?
A yes.
Q and is it the same as your father?
A excuse me?
Q is it the same as having your father there?
A I mean, nothing will ever be the same.
Q now, I want to talk a little bit about how you have been affected by the loss of the love, affection, support and guidance of your father. Can you tell us about that, please?
A I -- I mean, me myself?
Q yes.
A I can't sleep at night. I have a hard time sleeping.
Q anything else?
A uhm, for a while after he died, I became emotionally distant from a lot of people.
Q are there things that you want to share with your father that you're not able to?
A yes, there is.
Q like what?
A I mean, there's the first day of going to school; there's having the first girlfriend; there's being able to drive; getting in the national honor society; all the artwork that I finished in jewelry, in metal. Yeah.
Q do you think that -- well, strike that. Do you think your dad would be proud of you for being on the robotics team?
A maybe. I tried to make him proud.
Q let's talk about Paris. How has Paris been affected by the loss of the love, care, society, affection and guidance?
A I think of all of my siblings, she was hit the hardest, because she was my dad's princess. I think without that, it really hurt her a lot. And she – she definitely is dealing with it in her own way for that.
Q is your sister going through some rough times?
A she is.
Q are you and your family trying to help her any way you can?
A yes. Especially my cousin, TJ
Q all right. And how about, does you or blanket -- you or Paris, do you have birthday parties anymore?
A me and my sister, we don't celebrate birthdays. It's something we only did with our dad, and it wouldn't be the same without him.
Q now, how about blanket? Now, we asked about him. Does he ever have birthday parties?
A yes, he does.
Q does he like that?
A yes.
Q can you just tell us, what do you see that Blanket has lost with your father?
A right now I don't know if blanket realizes what he lost because he was so young. But, uhm, I mean, my brother is still growing up, just like I am, and he doesn't have a father to guide him or tell him, like,
Tell him what's right from wrong. I mean, he has that, but nothing like how my dad would do it, or someone to talk to about when he goes to school.
Q are you all doing the best that you can?
A yes.
Q do you miss your dad a lot?
A yes.
Q is there ever a day that you don't?
A no.
AEG Cross
Putnam starts the cross by saying he only has a few questions to Prince. He asks about Michael paying Murray
Q the first one I want to ask you about is, you talked about this idea of your dad paying Dr. Conrad Murray.
A yes, I did.
Q you remember talking about that? You saw your dad pay Dr. Conrad Murray himself a couple times, didn't you?
A my dad tried to, but he would never take the money.
Q you never saw your dad actually give him the money?
A I saw my dad offer it to him. I didn't see Dr. Conrad take it.
Mr. Panish: I'm going to object. Vague as to time.
Mr. Putnam: anytime.
The witness: anytime? He could have, but I don't remember.
Putnam plays Prince’s deposition
"Did you ever see your father pay Dr. Conrad Murray?
"I've seen him a couple times.
"and did he pay him in cash?
"this is in the -- he did only a couple times in the Carolwood
House, but mostly for -- in Vegas.
"and in the Carolwood house, did he pay him in cash, do you know?
"he -- Dr. Conrad never took cash.
"what did he take?
"he never took cash from my dad. Like, my dad would give -- he would give us cash and say, 'give it to Dr. Murray,' and then Dr. Murray would only take a portion of it."
Q by Mr. Putnam: all right. So let me ask you the question again. does that refresh your recollection as to whether or not your father ever paid Dr. Conrad Murray cash in Las Vegas?
A in Las Vegas, my dad did pay him once.
Q it was once?
A yes. Before we started the business contract.
Q what do you mean by that, sir?
A before I was aware that he had signed to do the 02 arenas.
A that's when Dr. Conrad was treating us.
Q so that was in Las Vegas; right, sir?
A yes.
Q and at that time your father paid him in cash?
A yes, he did.
Q and you saw your father do that?
A yes. But like I said, most of the time Dr. Conrad wouldn't take it, and he would give it to us to give to him.
Q so when you said the answer, and when I said, "and did he pay him in cash?" your answer was "this was in the -- he did a couple of times in the Carolwood house, but mostly for in Vegas." the "mostly for" was just one time?
A yes, from what I remember.
Q and you indicated something there. I asked at another point in your deposition, I said -- so I was trying to understand the difference between paying cash in Vegas and paying cash in Los Angeles. Do you remember me asking you whether your father would give it to him there in Vegas, and do you remember telling me, "yes, in Vegas he would also give him cash"? Do you remember saying that?
A not word for word, but I remember saying something like that, yes.
Q but when you said those words, those are the exact words, you just meant that one time?
A from what I remember, yes.
Q and do you remember whether your father ever paid Dr. Conrad Murray with checks?
A I don't think so.
Q and why do you not think so?
A because I never saw it.
Q so you never saw your dad pay with checks?
A no.
Q and in all the times that you were treated by Dr. Conrad Murray in Las Vegas, the only time you ever saw your dad pay Dr. Conrad Murray was once in cash?
A from what I remember, yes.
Q now, did your father ever pay Dr. Conrad Murray with cash in Los Angeles?
A not directly.
Q what do you mean, "not directly"?
A he never gave him the cash, that I can remember. He always had us give it to him.
Q he would have you give Dr. Conrad Murray cash?
A yes.
Q what do you mean by that?
A like I said at my deposition, he would give us the cash, a couple hundreds, and I would take it to Dr. Murray, and Dr. Murray would only take a portion of it.
Q and did you have an understanding as to why your dad was giving you money to give Dr. Conrad Murray as opposed to giving it himself?
A from what he told me --
Q I'm not going to ask what he told you. Do you have an understanding?
A oh, yes. Yes.
Q do you know why he was asking you, his son, to give the doctor cash, as opposed to giving it himself? Do you have an understanding as to why he wouldn't give it himself?
A yes.
Q what was your understanding as to why he wouldn't give it to him himself?
A from what he said or what -- from what my understanding was?
Q from what your understanding was.
A that I don't think Dr. Conrad wanted to take money from my dad because he felt bad.
Q so your dad felt more likely he would take the cash from you?
A yes.
Q did he give the cash in an envelope?
A no.
Q how would he give you the cash?
A just cash.
Q and just hand you cash?
A yes.
Q and you said hundreds?
A couple hundreds.
Q were these like $100 bills?
A yes.
Q so he would give you $100 bills and ask you to give them to Dr. Conrad Murray?
A yes.
Q and would it be -- was it clipped together? Was it in anything?
A sometimes he would wrap a rubber band around them.
Q and so if I understand it, there would be bills, and they would be rolled up like in a wad?
A no. It was flat.
Q flat with a band around it?
A yes.
Q so you said it was like this flat with a band (indicating), and you would hand it over to him?
A like a rubber band.
Q and that was something that he would ask you to do with Dr. Conrad Murray; correct?
A me and my sister.
Q and your sister?
A yes.
Q so the two of you at times would give this stack of cash with the rubber bands to Dr. Conrad Murray?
A I don't know if you would consider it a stack, but yes.
Q you said like this (indicating). Is that what you're talking about?
A about like this (indicating).
Q and they were hundreds?
A yes.
Q and do you remember how many times you did that?
A I remember only a couple of times that I did it myself with my sister.
Q and by a "couple of times," do you remember at your deposition saying it could be as many as 10 times?
A yes.
Q so you think about 10 times you gave him that kind of stack of cash?
A yes. He didn't always take the cash, and if he did, he only took a portion.
Q okay.
And in Las Vegas, did your father ever give you cash to give to Dr. Conrad Murray?
A that's where it started, yes.
Q it started in Vegas?
A yes.
Q all right. So the first time your father ever did this, asking you to give cash to Dr. Conrad Murray, was in Las Vegas?
A yes, from what I remember.
Q and you left Las Vegas sometime prior to christmas 2008; right?
A I believe so.
Putnam says he wants to ask Prince about people that worked at Carolwood. They go over that Kai Chase worked at Carolwood and then a male chef worked there and later Kai Chase came back. Prince says neither Kai Chase or the male chef wasn’t allowed upstairs. Prince is asked about Nurse Lee and he says she gave him IV at the downstairs and wasn’t allowed upstairs. Prince is asked about Sister Rose. Prince says initially Sister Rose was allowed upstairs but sometime in 2009 no one was allowed upstairs. Prince is asked about security and he replies the security almost never came into the house. Prince says the housekeepers weren’t allowed upstairs and only Conrad Murray was allowed upstairs.
Prince is asked about the bedroom and the lock on the door. Prince says the first time he realized the door was locked when Michael was mediating with an Indian guru – before Murray. Putnam says Prince told them something different in his deposition and his deposition is played:
"I believe so.
"and how did you know the second floor bedroom had a lock?
"because the first time he went to sleep with Dr. Conrad, we were trying to play hide and go seek, and when I tried to open the door and hide in it, it was locked."
Q by Mr. Putnam: so this talks about the idea that you knew the second floor bedroom had a lock because the first time he went to sleep with Dr. Conrad Murray, you were playing hide and seek, and tried to open the door to hide in the room, and that was locked?
A yes.
Q and that's a different time than the other time; correct?
A yes. It was after.
Q so the first time, then, wasn't here -- how you came to know that the second floor bedroom had a lock was not this time, but sometime before? That's how you came to know this?
A all the bedrooms had a lock on it. I just didn't know he would lock it. I knew he locked it for meditation; I didn't know he would lock it for medication.
Q I'm sorry. What was that?
A for medication when he was being treated by Dr. Cheryl lee, he never had a look on that door. There were no doors, and he did it in the open. The same thing for Dr. Conrad. When he started it, he did it in the open, and when he went upstairs, we had no idea he locked the door.
Q and you came to understand he locked the door with Dr. Conrad Murray because you were playing hide and seek, and you tried to get in, and the door was locked?
A yes.
Prince says the door was locked all the time his father and Murray were there and he did not try to get in the room after the hide & seek.
Putnam asks about Phillips.
Q one other question, if I can. You talked about this idea that a time came where you saw randy Phillips and a person -- we'll get to who in a second -- at the bottom of the stairs where Mr. Phillips was being aggressive with that person. You remember that testimony?
A yes.
Q and at times today you said it was Dr. Tohme, at other times you said it was Dr. Murray. Let me ask you a few questions about that.
Was Dr. Tohme someone you knew since 2006 when you moved to Las Vegas?
A I think so.
Q so that was a person, by the time you arrived in the Carolwood home, you had known for at least three years; right?
A yes.
Q in fact, when you moved to Las Vegas, is it true that one of the reasons you moved to Las Vegas was because Dr. Tohme had introduced your father to somebody who made it possible so you could live in the palm hotel for a year and a half?
A yes, he did.
Q and this is someone you saw in Vegas, Dr. Tohme; correct?
A I don't know if I saw him in Vegas.
Q how did you know he was that person?
A I met him in Vegas, but I didn't really remember when I saw him. I don't remember if I did.
Q and Dr. Randy Phillips wasn't someone you met until you moved to Los Angeles; correct?
A yes.
Q and as we sit here today, you don't know whether that encounter that you've just mentioned between randy Phillips and either Dr. Tohme or Dr. Conrad Murray -- you don't know what day that
Occurred; right?
A not definite. From what I remember, it was the night before, but I can't tell you -- I can't be 100 percent sure of that.
Q so you think it might have been the night before that you saw them there?
A I'm more than, like, sure it was more than likely on the night before, or it was two nights before.
Q and in fact, do you have any understanding as to whether or not there's been testimony here that the night before, randy Phillips was at the staples center with your dad?
A no.
Q do you have any understanding as to whether there was testimony here that -- and the night before that, the 23rd, he was also at the staples center?
A no.
Q you don't know that?
A no.
Q do you remember telling me at your deposition -- strike that. Let me ask you differently. That really bad morning, the 25th, you didn't see your dad that morning; right?
A no.
Q do you remember telling us at your deposition that the morning after you believe you saw randy Phillips with a doctor, whether it was Tohme or Dr. Conrad Murray, you remember saying that the next morning, you talked to your dad about it?
A excuse me?
Q you remember telling us at your deposition, that the morning after you saw randy Phillips in your house, the next morning, you talked to your dad?
A I don't remember saying that.
Q okay. Let me just show you your depo, if I can.
Deposition
"Did you ever tell anybody that randy was there with Dr. Conrad
Murray?
"my dad.
"and when did you tell him that?
"I told him the next morning that I saw him."
Q by Mr. Putnam: does that refresh your recollection?
A yes, it does. As I told Brian, that I saw Dr. Conrad and randy Phillips talking on two occasions, and I believe I said that in my deposition. That was one of the occasions that was previous to his passing.
Q okay. But do you remember talking to your dad the next morning after this event?
A yes.
Q and you didn't talk to your dad the morning of the 25th; correct?
A no.
Q so this couldn't have occurred on the 24th; that we now know; right?
A well, like I said, it happened on two occasions.
Q I'm sorry. What happened on two occasions?
A Dr. Conrad and randy Phillips talking.
Q okay. And was your dad not there either time?
A yes.
Q so there were two times where they talked. You remember telling me there was one time in your depo?
A I did. And then I cleared it up at the end, that I remembered there were two times.
Q okay. And you're not sure when that occurred; correct?
A excuse me?
Q you're not sure when that happened?
A when the first time happened? No.
Q and you're not sure when the second time happened, either; right?
A from what I can remember, it was the night before.
Q but that second time, that's the time that you said that the next morning you talked to your dad?
A no. It was the first time.
Q you think so?
A yes.
Q and if a person came to your house, and your dad wasn't there, how did they get in?
A security would let them in.
Q just let them in?
A for people like randy Phillips and Dr. Tohme, and people from AEG., they got let in. But people like my grandpa, they turned away.
Q so some people would just get let in, and other people got turned away?
A yes.
Jackson redirect
Panish asks Prince how long his deposition and says Putnam said it was only 2 hours. Putnam responds saying I said it was 2 + 2 hours. Panish asks Prince if he was scared during his deposition, Prince says “not so much scared”. He says he didn’t know he had to wear a suit and it’s not a type of thing he wanted to spend his weekend doing. Panish asks about when the deposition started and ended, how many break Prince took and so on. (First day was a Saturday started at 10:36 AM ended at 2:25 PM. They took 2 breaks 11:28 to 11:44 and 12:23 to 1:04. Second one was a weekday during school and Prince was pull out from school for it. It started at 2:00 PM and ended at 5:12 PM. They took 2 breaks.) The whole deposition was 353 pages.
Q okay. And did they take your sister into a deposition for seven hours?
A I don't know how long hers was. But after I did mine, I told TJ that she shouldn't be able to do that.
Q and did your sister have some problems after her deposition?
A she had some problems before, after, and I assume during.
Q she had some emotional problems after the deposition?
A yes.
Panish ask Prince who questioned Paris and he says Mr. Putnam, he doesn’t know if Ms. Robinson also questioned Paris. Prince says Paris was going to give her deposition at Putnam’s office but TJ petitioned it to be done in the jury room.
Panish wants to play a part of Prince’s deposition.
Q Mr. Phillips, when he was grabbing the arm of that individual, was that Tohme, or was that Conrad Murray?
A Conrad Murray.
Q any question in your mind?
A no. They look completely different.
Q that is true.
All right. Now, when you were at -- talking in your deposition about the cash that your father had been giving -- or, excuse me. The cash your father gave you to give to Dr. Murray, and you were trying to complete your answer, did Mr. Putnam cut you off in the deposition?
A not that I can remember, but he could have.
Q I mean, at the trial right now.
A at the trial? Yes.
Q okay. Without telling us what anyone said, did you have an understanding as to why your father gave you some $100 bills to give to Dr. Murray?
A yes.
Q what was that?
A that Dr. Murray was not getting paid and that he needed some money to get -- we're talking about at Carolwood; right?
Q right.
A that he was not getting paid. He was supposed to be and that my dad was giving him some money to help him get paid until he got a paycheck.
Q do you know who was supposed to pay?
A AEG
Deposition video:
"and what kind -- so your dad would give you money to give to Dr. Conrad Murray?
"yes.
"did he also do that in Vegas?
"in Vegas, he would give it to him with us there.
"okay. And in Vegas, would he also give him cash?
"yes.
"did -- to your knowledge, did he ever pay him with a check?
"I wouldn't know.
"okay. So to your knowledge, all you ever saw him pay him with was cash?
"yes.
"and in Vegas, did he ever give you money to give to Dr. Conrad Murray?
"no.
"did you have an understanding as to why he started doing that at Carolwood?
"he felt bad for him.
"what do you mean?
"something was going on with Dr. Murray's finances. I don't think he was getting paid for what he was doing."
Panish asks about Nurse Lee. Prince says Nurse Lee only gave IV’s to his father.
Q did you have an understanding of what that IV was for?
A I thought it was for my dad so he could get the proteins he needed while he was burning through so much.
AEG recross
Putnam asks Prince about his deposition. Prince says he came with his grandmother, TJ and a security guard. Putnam asks Prince if he knows they did the deposition on a Saturday so the paparazzi would not be around, Prince says he thinks it was on a Saturday because of school. Putnam asks if Prince is aware his lawyers agreed to have it Saturday, Prince says he doesn’t know. Putnam asks if Prince remembers there was big spread laid out for lunch for him, Prince says yes. He says he doesn’t remember Katherine thanking them for being so accommodating. Prince confirms that a second room was set up for their team to speak privately if needed. Putnam says the deposition on the first day took a little over 2 hours when the breaks were taken out. Putnam asks if the deposition ended the first day because Prince decided he was tired and Prince says yes. Putnam asks if it was Prince who asked to continue it another day and he says yes. Putnam asks about the second part of the deposition and if took around 2 hours. Prince says he has no idea but it felt longer. Putnam asks if Prince was asked any other questions between his deposition and testimony and he says no.
Putnam asks about Paris’s deposition and if it happened in the jury room because Jacksons wanted it to happen there. Prince says yes. Putnam asks if he knows Paris’s deposition ended because she was tired, Prince doesn’t know. Putnam asks if Prince is aware her deposition continued in the offices of Putnam because Jackson lawyers agreed it wasn’t necessary to do it in the jury room. Prince doesn’t know. Putnam asks Prince if he knows “whether your counsel stipulated on the record that the deposition had been done absolutely appropriately and that nothing untoward or unsavory had occurred during the deposition”,Prince says he doesn’t know.
Jackson redirect
Q okay. Now, Mr. Putnam, did he try to be mean to you in the deposition?
A I don't know how you would characterize being "mean."
Q let me ask you this: do you think he was being a lawyer representing his client the best he could?
A as a defense lawyer, yes.
Q what does that mean?
A uhm, that's not how I would want to spend my Saturday.
Q all right. Fair enough. But Mr. Putnam wasn't mean to you; right?
A I don't -- I'm not used to dealing with lawyers, so I don't know what "mean" or –
Q all right. I will say it. Mr. Putnam, as far as I'm concerned, was not mean to you; okay?
A yes.
Q we will agree to that; all right? One thing we can agree on; all right?
A yeah.